Path: e420r-atl2.usenetserver.com!newsfeeds-atl2!news.webusenet.com!pc01.webusenet.com!fe01.POSTED!not-for-mail From: gubnah_azrael@gov.su.us (The Voltairian™/Black Jester™/Closet Libertarian™/Riley Bitterman™) Newsgroups: alt.mindcontrol,alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.org.cia,alt.politics.org.nsa,van.general,bc.politics Subject: Re: Bullying and Harassment - not exactly a delusion [LIBTR] Organization: Closet Libertarian™/Black Magus™/Bible Thumper™/Blow Load™ Reply-To: spyhunter-navyseal@gov.su.us Message-ID: <3db52d91.354809@news.aebc.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 352 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 06:42:45 EDT Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 10:51:45 GMT Xref: usenetserver.com alt.mindcontrol:125180 alt.politics.libertarian:415698 alt.politics.org.cia:133706 alt.politics.org.nsa:113395 van.general:252087 bc.politics:309649 On 21 Oct 2002 10:00:27 -0700, milne_v@hotmail.com (milne_v) wrote: >Taking The Bully By The Horns > >Dawn-Marie Wesley was just 14 when she hanged herself with a dog leash >in her home in November 2000. The Fraser Valley, B.C. girl left a note >naming three tormentors who apparently drove her to commit the >ultimate act of finality. And on Wednesday, the third teen charged >with bullying her was convicted of uttering death threats ... > >http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20020918-013/page.asp Thought crime. If someone commits suicide they give up on themselves, they do it, not the bully. bullies just use words and if they do use acts then they are guilty of a crime. Name calling is just silly, as it is, I laugh at the gang and mob mentality of fighting one persons fight in a group, if it wasn't fight manufactered by the idiot bully in the first place. >--- > >Off The Beating Path > >Punches. Kicks. Threats. Robbery. Extortion. Suicide. Sounds like life >on the mean streets of a big city. But it's not. For a growing number, >it's life in our schools at the hands of bullies. And it's leaving >kids feeling increasingly desperate ... > >http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20020411-014/page.asp It's also the government shaking taxpayer's lunch money and funding public schools with it, and other big government entitlement programs. >--- > >Bullying. It can lead to nervousness, severe depression and in the >worst cases, even suicide. Many experts feel bullying actually begins >at home, not school, with the intervention by parents – or the lack of >it. But for many the problem isn't just physical. It's vocal. When >kids refuse to tell parents what's going on at school, it's impossible >for mom or dad to take action. And that means you have to know the >tell-tale signs to look for, before the bullying gets out of hand ... > >http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20020411-017/page.asp Simple bullying doesn't. Electronic harrasment might. Words don't hurt if you don't let them; especially if you have a sense of humor andd they aren't true. What does hurt is an act. Some nervousness could be abuse at home, and basically the bullying may be tolerated because A: Self Defence Is Not Alloud In The Gun Grabbing Government's School's, and B. It may be easier to take than daddy's dick in his or her ass; or mommy's strap-on for instance and in fairness. >--- > >When your children go to school, they're supposed to attack the 3R's – >not each other. But a new study by the Centre for Addiction and Mental >Health reveals 25% of all students are being bullied in school. And >that one in 10 junior high and high school students have seriously >considered suicide to free themselves from the abuse. The same number >admit to having carried a weapon to school, fighting on campus, or >assaulting a fellow student ... > >http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20020507-005/page.asp Rs? Readind Righting and R-rythmatic?? That's the whole problem? How about Rights; Human Rights; (US) Constitutional Rights; Natural Rights? >--- > >For Dalton McGuinty, it's personal. The Liberal leader isn't just a >politician when it comes to the subject of bullying – he's the father >of a victimized son. "After Liam got mugged, had his wallet removed, >his backpack taken away from him … You know what I did? I got in the >car and drove to the bank and lay in wait for his robbers and >thieves." ... > >http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20020507-007/page.asp I got bullied to, big fucken deal, if I could have left on my own terms sooner or disemboweled my attacker maybe school would have been more tolerable and a rapist would have even gotten it good. Public School and Self Defence Bashing Is The Problem. >--- > >Drop Out > >School should be challenging, but impossible might be pushing it a >little. > >According to Liberal Education Critic Gerard Kennedy, Ontario's new >curriculum is casting a shadow over the future. > >A study done by a Queen's University professor shows that high school >students may be in jeopardy due to a difficult new curriculum. The >report says the failure rate of pupils in the applied stream of high >school has increased by 50 per cent. (Students in that stream aren't >expected to move on to university.) ... > >http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20021021-012/page.asp Government propagandising of poor kids of the over taxed is what they suffer from. >Mcguinty calls for anti-bullying laws in schools > >TORONTO — Dalton McGuinty says he'd make anti-bullying programs >mandatory in the province's schools. > >A study released this week says a quarter of all students in Ontario >schools have been bullied. The Liberal leader says that bullying can >traumatize students, and in the most extreme cases, provoke suicide >... > >http://toronto.cbc.ca/template/servlet/View?filename=mcguinty_070502 Not enough Government for yuh? >Accused bully goes to court > >Vancouver - A 12-year-old North Vancouver boy has made his first court >appearance on a bullying charge. > >'Violence is a police issue' >– Marina Wilks >Police charged the unidentified Braemer Elementary School student >after a 12-year-old girl was grabbed, shaken and pushed to the ground >on April 4. > >The boy's father says he doesn't think the charge is fair. "It's >ridiculous," he says. "The whole thing is ridiculous. It belongs in >the principal's office and the counsellor's office." > >The North Vancouver RCMP disagree, noting the attack on the girl >didn't happen anywhere near the school they both attend, making it a >police matter ... > >http://vancouver.cbc.ca/template/servlet/View?filename=bc_bully020429 One question remains, 12 year old or small Canaanite? >Crown considers charging teen bullies named in suicide note Talk about bullies; they are such bullies an Enlightenment and an American Revolution occured from it. Even I came out of those ashes. >--- > >Parents disappointed with anti-bullying efforts > >Last Updated Wed Nov 22 08:57:24 2000 > >VANCOUVER - Bullying at schools is a problem the British Columbia >government wants to solve, but its efforts are falling short, >according to the mother of one teenaged victim. > >Pam Metson has taken her daughter Amberlee out of two schools because >of the troubles her school mates were causing ... > >http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?category=Canada&story=/news/2000/11/22/bullying001122 It's an issue to pander to that's for sure. Who want's a quick fix? >--- > >School bully victim seeking $100,000 compensation > >Last Updated Tue, 12 Jun 2001 18:17:33 > >NORTH VANCOUVER, B.C. - Evidence is wrapping up in a British Columbia >human rights case that could set new standards for schools to protect >students from bullies. > >Azmi Jubran is fighting for $100,000 in compensation. He says he was >suicidal after five years of torment in a North Vancouver high school. > >Jubran's lawyer, Clea Parfitt, hopes this case forces schools to do >more to stop classroom bullying ... > >http://cbc.ca/storyview/CBC/2001/06/12/bully010612 > >--- More self defence, more defence, and less whining. On the issue, I am getting so much shit from the NSA for this, that what goes on in high school would be tright if this didn't happen there as well to me, but not this bad all the same. Docta Gov. Admr. Count Gölök Zoltán Leenderdt Franco Buday; PhG™/D Aka The Pyromaniac of Madison County. Writer, Humorist, and everything else under the moon. [Also said to be a multi-trilionare businessman and Navy SEAL] Vancouver, Neo Sumer/Olympia, Washington/Who knows where else... The Official Black Jester Website: http://www.blackjester.com/ My Ego Times: http://myegotimes.virtualave.net/ Dictionary: http://myegotimes.virtualave.net/dictionary/ Election 2002: http://myegotimes.virtualave.net/Vancouver.Elections/2002/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "As you have the power, sir, to do some service to letters, I implore you not to clip the wings of our writers so closely, nor turn into barndoor fowls those who, allowed a start, might become eagles; reasonable liberty permits the mind to soar--slavery makes it creep." -- Voltaire [A Letter To A First Commissioner] -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." -- Thomas Paine -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then gets elected and proves it. -P.J. 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For regardless of how the government is formally constituted, if there is a single man not subject to the law, all the others are necessarily at that man' mercy." -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau; To The Republic Of Geneva: Discourse On Inequality. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "...It follows that if in such a fortunate situation it (the country/ state) would have nothing to fear but itself, and if citizens were trained in arms, it would be more for maintaining that soldiery spirit and noble courage that are so well suited for freedom and cultivate the taste for it rather than from the necessity for it's citizens' actual defence. -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau; To The Republic Of Geneva: Discourse On Inequality. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Freedom can only exist if all laws apply to all people." -- Jean-Jacques Rousseau; possible paraphrase. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Think, it's not illegal yet." -- George Clinton -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A Press That Is Not Free Isn't A Press At All" -- Gölök Buday -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A Government, Of All Things, Is To Be Questioned And Inspected" -- Gölök Buday -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "At The Very Least, Insanity Isn't Unsanitary" -- Gölök Buday -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "it is an abomination for a person's tax dollars to be used to further a faith to which he does not subscribe. You want to pray, go to church. Nobody's objecting." -- Thomas Jefferson -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I am the first Prime Minister of this country of neither altogether English nor French origin. So I determined to bring about a Canadian citizenship that knew no hyphenated consideration." - Prime Minister Diefenbaker, March 29, 1958, Maclean's. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "We shall never build the nation which our potential resources make possible by dividing ourselves into Anglophones, Francophones, multiculturalphones, or whatever kind of phoneys you choose. I say: Americans, first, last, and always!" - Gölök Buday, Purposely misquoting the Chief's Quote For His Own Agenda (2002). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right to be wrong, not the right to do wrong." - Prime Minister Diefenbaker, March 11, 1958 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "As long as there is a drop of blood in my body they won't stop me from talking about freedom." - Prime Minister Diefenbaker, June 3, 1962, Sudbury, Ontario. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Freedom includes the right to say what others may object to and resent... 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