Path: text01!c01.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!fe39.usenetserver.com.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: hypocritouter@seal.navy.buggeredbynsc.int.nwo.gov (Gölök Z.L.F Buday, AKA The Absent Mind™ AKA Rev. Lucy Für™ AKA Jean Paul Satire™) Newsgroups: alt.politics.libertarian,alt.politics.reform,can.politics,alt.mindcontrol,bc.politics,van.general,alt.sex.strip-clubs Subject: Repost: FWD: jury awards $975,000 in involuntary psychiatric drugging case [LIBTR] [AF] [AJ] [ALF] [VG] [BP] [APL] [AM] [MDIA] [MHT] [CIA] [TM] [NSA] [NLP] [LP] [CAR87] [NSC] [LIBERPHRENIA] [ANTIRAPEPHRENIA] [CREDAPHRENIA] [HUMORPHRENIA] [MORALPHREENIA] [ANTISPYPHRENIA] [USCONSTITUTIONALISTPHRENIA] [ANTIESPIONAPHRENIA] Keywords: The Voltairian,The Pyromaniac Of Madison County,Libertarian,LIBTR,Reform Party of,Pat Buchanan,Buday,G. Buday,Gölök,Gölök Buday,Comedian,Comedy,Politics,Stripping,Strippers,Strip Clubs,ASS-C,Love,Broken Heart,Bitter,Riley Bitterman,Intellectual Property Rights,Police Brutality,Police Brutality Victim Organization: bj,RB,tHEvOLT,ETC....Pyromaniac of Madison County™/Miss Anne Thrope™ Reply-To: navysealoffreedom@slave.stopnwo.gubnah.state.us.wa.gov Message-ID: <408dfd7f.40974726@news.aebc.com> References: X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.21/32.243 Lines: 423 X-Complaints-To: abuse@usenetserver.com X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly. NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 02:38:55 EDT Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 06:28:35 GMT Xref: usenetserver.com alt.politics.libertarian:485956 alt.politics.reform:167327 can.politics:832692 alt.mindcontrol:132706 bc.politics:389720 van.general:329905 alt.sex.strip-clubs:437461 X-Body On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:54:09 GMT, "Allen L. Barker" wrote: > > >An Award With An Even Bigger Payoff >by Robin Topping >http://www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/crime/ny-licrim0114,0,641877.column?coll=ny-licrime-headlines >January 14, 2004 > >When Robert Lee Marion went to Bellevue Hospital in Manhattan for a >minor medical procedure, he hadn't planned on a six-day stay there -- >against his will. > >In December 1998, Marion, then 59, of Manhattan, went to the emergency >room, saying he needed the surgery because of his diabetic >condition. But when doctors told him there was no surgery scheduled >for him, Marion, who was unemployed and has a history of mental >illness, became very upset. > >He grew loud, saying the government was trying to systematically kill >poor people. After two brief interviews with doctors, Marion was >involuntarily committed and injected with a potent psychiatric >medication. > >Under state law, doctors have the right to keep patients hospitalized >against their will on an emergency basis, if they appear to be a >danger to themselves and others. > >Marion claimed in a lawsuit filed in 2000 against Bellevue and the >doctors who treated him that his behavior didn't warrant >confinement. During the trial in federal court in Manhattan, his >lawyer, William Brooks told jurors that while Marion wasn't acting >normally, his behavior had not crossed the legal threshold that would >require him to be locked up. > >Instead, Brooks -- a professor at Touro Law School in Huntington -- >argued that doctors committed Marion because they felt he needed >treatment for mental illness and illegally deprived him of his >freedom. Marion, who had no history of being hospitalized, was >released six days later, only after a hearing at Bellevue. > >"This case is quite frankly pure and simple about liberty," Brooks >told jurors last year during opening statements, according to a >transcript. "It's about one's liberty to come and go when one wants, >without interference from the government. And it is also about ... the >freedom to have one's thoughts, no matter how off-beat or off-center >or ... even radical, without being labeled mentally ill or crazy or >dangerous and then being shut off to a psychiatric hospital because >physicians, upon the most cursory evaluations, believe you are >mentally ill." > >Lawyers for the New York Health and Hospital Corporation in Manhattan, >which runs Bellevue, had a different view. According to the court >transcript, in her opening statement, city attorney Nancy Botta told >the jury, "... the plaintiff was aggressive. He was getting close to >people. He was getting in their faces. As he pointed and waved his >finger, he was loud and threatening ... the plaintiff was actively >manic, he was psychotic and he was delusional." > >Bellevue doctors who committed Marion determined that he was "not only >mentally ill, but that he was a danger to himself and a danger to the >community," Botta told jurors. > >After a four-day trial, the jury awarded Marion $750,000 in damages >for his confinement and $225,000 for the injections -- one of the >largest awards nationally in cases involving the involuntary >commitment of the mentally ill, experts said. > >It's also an extraordinary verdict because, in most cases, people like >Marion don't have the means or the opportunity to bring their case to >court. "It's generally very difficult for people with mental illness >to access the legal system," said Ron Honberg, legal director of the >National Association for the Mentally Ill. "It's hard for them to get >lawyers because for one thing, what's the likelihood of damages?" > >Marion was referred to Brooks' legal clinic at Touro that specializes >in cases involving the mentally ill. Brooks and several students had >worked with Marion since 1999. > >The clinic filed the suit in January 2000, asking for unspecified >compensatory and punitive damages. Over the years, different >third-year students and a staff attorney who is a recent Touro >graduate worked on it, along with Brooks. > >U.S. Magistrate Douglas Eaton dismissed Marion's claim for punitive >damages. The city has asked him to reduce the award and to set aside >the verdict, arguing that it is contrary to the weight of the >evidence. But Brooks said, "It's a major victory, even if the award is >reduced." > >He added: "The award sends a message to psychiatric hospitals and >doctors that you can't routinely admit someone and label them >dangerous ... and inject them with mind-altering drugs because you >have a desire to treat them." > >Stephanie Muick, a former Touro student said the experience of doing >research on the case shifted her career focus from criminal defense >law to legal advocacy for the mentally ill. "It really had an effect >on me," said Muick, 23, who is now at home in Pittsburgh studying for >the bar exam. "When Professor Brooks called me and told me about the >verdict, I was in shock." > >Another former student, Melodie Shuler, 26, of Washington D.C., said >working on the case piqued her interest in public interest >law. Shuler, who worked mostly on motions during the discovery phase, >said, "I thought we had a very strong case. They had no right to >confine him ... I felt it was also great because it gave me confidence >that good things can happen in the legal system." > >Brooks and the students took no portion of the award, although the >city will have to pay Touro for their legal fees, which will go back >to the clinic program. > >Marion could not be reached for comment. But Brooks said his client, >although pleased with the verdict, thought he deserved much more. "He >believes," Brooks said, "he is entitled to billions." > > > > >-- >Mind Control: TT&P ==> http://www.datafilter.com/mc >Home page: http://www.datafilter.com/alb >Allen Barker > http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+jury+awards+%24975%2C000+in+involuntary+psychiatric+drugging+case&ie=ISO-8859-1&hl=en http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+jury+awards+%24975,000+in+involuntary+psychiatric+drugging+case&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=7fYNb.10842%24i4.5566%40newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net&rnum=1 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+jury+awards+%24975,000+in+involuntary+psychiatric+drugging+case&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=EdYNb.10836%24i4.4651%40newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net&rnum=2 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+jury+awards+%24975,000+in+involuntary+psychiatric+drugging+case&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=RbYNb.10832%24i4.8986%40newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net&rnum=3 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+jury+awards+%24975,000+in+involuntary+psychiatric+drugging+case&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=bu6l0j%2485a%241%40pencil.math.missouri.edu&rnum=4 -------- X-Sigfile Gölök Zoltán Leenderdt Franco Buday The Voltairian News Service/Wire & TMET Freelance Writer [The Absent Mind]; Humorist; Mental Patient ; Politician Vancouver, BC (Neo Sumer) USA Political Egotist is a Former, As Listed Publically, Miserable Failure of A Mayoral Candidate in Vancouver who ran on a Independent but a, ignored, rather Libertarian Platform; Gölök Z.L.F Buday (96), Gölök (B.J.) 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I say: Americans, first, last, and always!" - Gölök Buday, Purposely misquoting the Chiefs Quote For His Own Agenda (2002). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right to be wrong, not the right to do wrong." - Prime Minister Diefenbaker, March 11, 1958 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "As long as there is a drop of blood in my body they won't stop me from talking about freedom." - Prime Minister Diefenbaker, June 3, 1962, Sudbury, Ontario. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Freedom includes the right to say what others may object to and resent... The essence of citizenship is to be tolerant of strong and provocative words." - Prime Minister Diefenbaker, April 9, 1970, House of Commons. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I Am A Surrealists" -- What Salvador Dali Said When Asked Why He Didn't Belong To The Surrealists (this may be true, regarding why actors tend not to belong to the Group of Actors and Libertarians don't always belong to the Libertarian Party.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I prefer to go to church, not have church come to me." -- Gölök Buday -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's almost as if he [Bill Clinton] spent 8 years pissing all over the presidency and on his last day went, 'oh! missed a spot." -- Lewis Black on Rich Pardon, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Honesty Makes An Opinion Important, Dishonesty Makes It Irrelevant (unimportant even)" -- Gölök Buday; 2002 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "An Opinion, Like An Axe, Is Only As Good As The Person Who Wields It." -- Gölök Buday -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Value Of A Comment Derives From The Honesty Of The Orator And/Or Writer." -- Gölök Buday -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "The Height Of Genius Is The Ability To Conceal It." -- George Bernard Shaw -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Brevity is the soul of wit." -- William Shakespeare (hard to believe, I know.). -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "There Is A Difference Between Community Involvement and Being Involved (Or A Part Of) In A Community." -- Gölök Buday -------------------------------------------------------------------------- We trained hard but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form into teams, we would be reorganized. 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